Hurley - Friends and Money

[carrie3570]

Could it be that Hurley is sending out the numbers to himself so he makes sure to win the lottery so he can fund a rescue mission to save his friends and the world? The numbers he sees are a reminder to him of what is to come. He made sure the numbers were on the hatch as a reminder to him that it was there, etc....

So the numbers aren't really cursed. It's Hurleys "mark" on the world. Only he doesn't realize it.

[Patte]

So your're saying that Hurley returns to the island because he goes back (in time) and 'tells' himself to return?

Works for me.

[carrie3570]

I think he goes back in time and does some things, but it doesn't matter. As we can see, no one remembers these things until it's too late. I'm just thinking the numbers are because of Hurley. When we see them on the hatch and on the computer, it's because of him. He did it to remind him of something or warn himself about something.

I really am finding myself wanting to go back and watch the older episodes again.

[WickedSlip]

this example of cause and consequence is what viva talked about here: http://www.stationzer0.com/lost-forums/showthread.php?p=143018#post143018

and what prompted me to start the casuality thread (there have to be more examples of this kind of causality)

the curious thing about this possible causality loop is that hurley played the numbers in the lottery but he himself did not cause the numbers to be ~drawn~ so the causality loop ends with/is disrupted by that outside source.

[Viva]

Carrie you must have read my mind. See wicked's link.:D

[Patte]

this example of cause and consequence is what viva talked about here: http://www.stationzer0.com/lost-forums/showthread.php?p=143018#post143018

and what prompted me to start the casuality thread (there have to be more examples of this kind of causality)

the curious thing about this possible causality loop is that hurley played the numbers in the lottery but he himself did not cause the numbers to be ~drawn~ so the causality loop ends with/is disrupted by that outside source.

Maybe he won the lottery purely by chance, but he used the winning numbers in the past just to effect his own emotional response when he won.

No, the numbers were on the hatch too. It would seem it was a device of the island.

Y'all don't mind if I talk to myself do you?

[Agent Smith]

I just mentioned this in the 'Cause and Consequence' thread, but I think Hurley would do the OPPOSITE. He thinks the numbers are cursed. He blames the numbers for everything bad that's ever happened to him. I think his transmission of the numbers is what set off the chain of events that caused this whole mess to begin with. We hear Hurley's voice transmitting the numbers 16 years ago when Rousseau's party hears them. The numbers were on the hatch, were needed to be entered into the computer, repeated by Leonard, etc. I'm assuming that Hurley's recording predates all of this and sets these events in motion. If this is true, then sometime in Hurley's future, he will go back in time and record this message. If he decides NOT to do this, none of this would have happened and the events on the island would never have happened, either.

Right?

[Patte]

I just mentioned this in the 'Cause and Consequence' thread, but I think Hurley would do the OPPOSITE. He thinks the numbers are cursed. He blames the numbers for everything bad that's ever happened to him. I think his transmission of the numbers is what set off the chain of events that caused this whole mess to begin with. We hear Hurley's voice transmitting the numbers 16 years ago when Rousseau's party hears them. The numbers were on the hatch, were needed to be entered into the computer, repeated by Leonard, etc. I'm assuming that Hurley's recording predates all of this and sets these events in motion. If this is true, then sometime in Hurley's future, he will go back in time and record this message. If he decides NOT to do this, none of this would have happened and the events on the island would never have happened, either.

Right?

Right.

So, if he did, what would make Hurley WANT to do it?

[Agent Smith]

Right.

So, if he did, what would make Hurley WANT to do it?A gun to his head?

Who would benefit from Hurley transmitting the numbers?

Ben - The only reason I could see Ben doing it would be so he could lure Jack in to fix his cancer.

Widmore - To find the island, of course.

Kate - To clear her name.

Rose - To fix her cancer.

Bernard - To fix Rose's cancer.

Except for Ben and Widmore, I don't think the others would put everyone through the things they've been through just to save their own life. If given the choice, Kate, Rose and Bernard wouldn't sacrifice a plane load of people in the crash, plus the people who have died since then just to spare themselves.

Ben has the means to get off the island to have the surgery. Of course, that comes with the risk of Charles finding out where he is and finding the island. So, crashing a plane on the island that has a passenger who happens to be a spinal surgeon makes some sense. Just seems a little drastic.

Charles seems like the most logical choice. We've already seen what he's willing to do by staging the 815 crash in the ocean and sending mercenaries out to kill everyone on the island once it's found. I just don't see what he could do to convince Hurley to record the transmission.

[WickedSlip]

can't he do it of his own volition, knowing that, if he doesn't make the recording, all of the events to follow won't occur and he knows that those events are essential?

(and continure to screw with our heads about whether to eat chicken or eggs?)

[Patte]

I'm thinking that for some reason, yet to be learned..., he comes to believe that it is in his, and maybe all the losties, best interest for them to return to the island.

So he goes to the past. Ands lays the egg. I think the chicken hatched on Sept. 22, 04. Of course, it's possible there was more than one egg laid. And hatched.

[Patte]

This whole conversation about Hurley recording and broadcasting the numbers as a message to himself and the other losties in the future made me think of the Star Trek episode where the Enterprise is caught in a temporal loop and they use numbers to send a message to themselves in a future iteration. Not saying losties are in a temporal loop, but there were so many similarities I had to mention it. As in STNG, the losties find the numbers in so many places in their lives, clocks, hotel rooms, the flight numbers etc. like a message from the past. Although Hurley is the only one I can think of that had experience with all of the numbers at the same time.

[Agent Smith]

can't he do it of his own volition, knowing that, if he doesn't make the recording, all of the events to follow won't occur and he knows that those events are essential?

(and continure to screw with our heads about whether to eat chicken or eggs?)But are those events essential if no one experiences them?

[WickedSlip]

But are those events essential if no one experiences them?

the actual response: bahahahahah! that made me actually "lol"

the serious response: were nobody there to experience them, he wouldn't experiencing the past to ensure the experiences were experienced. then we'd have no chicken or egg and i'd be hungry for dinner.