S5 Random Theories, Thoughts & Wacky Notions

[WickedSlip]

how do y'all think lost will premier s5?

there are rumors and unconfirmed theories out there that some of these thoughts are loosely based on, but i won't mention the spoilers specifically so i stuck this here. k? (would appreciate it if you'd either spoiler font or avoid any spoilers altogether)

how do the people on the raft get back to the island? did they move with it? let's say it DID move in time; back in time. would be fantastic if s5 opened like this: wild storm created by donkey wheel induced time flux/whatever. raft is tossed. people in state of panic. danny is cute as evar. another boat approches, a research vessel. research vessel's crew members sight raft and rescue some of the passengers. said passengers are taken to the crew leaders...danielle and her husband

danielle and her crew crash on the Island (with danny and maybe a straggler or two in tow) and we drop our jaws. kinda like this :eek:

no more flashbacks or flshforwards the way we know them. from this point on we get views of the island and offisland past (relative to our present but present to island present). huh? i mean, if present island time is say 1980 or whatever..then we may not get any more flash backs or forwards but lateral, offisland flashes that are present tense....from the island's new timeline perspective of 1980 (or whatever) as des and pen are in 2004...we will also get a cut perspective of offisland "future"/2004 present. but they'll no longer be flashes, per se. and that's how all time will start to run together and the flashes forward and back will become irrelevent.

so how do YOU think lost will open this next season? what loose ends do you think this season will tie up and how do you think they should be tied?

[jimpbblmk]

...best I've heard. I've got nothing better, even with spoilers.

[Patte]

Holy Cow, Wicked. Thats Awesome! The only thing I would add to it is Jin makes it off the boat deck and survives the explosion and ends up with Daniel. hmmm....and Danielle.

So we would end up with the O6 rescued in 2004, and

Sawyer, Juliette, Locke, Charlotte and Miles on the island when it moves.

Presumably Claire is on the island and moves with it.

Daniel and a bunch of redshirts (and Jin, I hope) are on the zodiak and are shifted with the island when it moves back in time to....1980...and along comes Danielle....

I can just picture the scene where Daniel and (Jin, I hope) are on the boat and come face to face with Danielle for the first time. You know, since she died.

[WickedSlip]

they could set up the first scene with penny's boat so when the "research vessel" approaches dannyboyyum we think that it's penny saving him. i mean, for an extrasuper lostalicious twist, danielle's research vessel could be the SAME as penny's boat were it not new and shiny. but still...you get my drift.

just fyi, the stuff i loosely based this on is: blade's theory/spoiler post, recalling that darlton suggested somewhere that we won't see danielle's story in flashback, that the flashforwards and back are going to be one-upped and the comiccon candle video

the dates are what screw with me because i'd like them to travel as far back as when candle made the comicon vid but the timelines for his vid taping and danielle's crash don't line up. for the sake of argument, i'm ignoring that :D

[carrie3570]

Ok... but hows this.. Danielles ship actually crashed because the island moved - the first time, so in her world it was the 80's but Dharmas world was the 70s... so they could all end up back in the 70's??

Maybe the Black Rock is in the middle of the Island because it was in the wrong place at the wrong time ... the Island just came up from nowhere and the Black Rock happened to be there.

** I hope you understand what I mean, lol

[WickedSlip]

Ok... but hows this.. Danielles ship actually crashed because the island moved - the first time, so in her world it was the 80's but Dharmas world was the 70s... so they could all end up back in the 70's??

Maybe the Black Rock is in the middle of the Island because it was in the wrong place at the wrong time ... the Island just came up from nowhere and the Black Rock happened to be there.

** I hope you understand what I mean, lol

i :heart: you

what i like most about how you resolved the timeline issue is that is reinforces my thinking that it (time) is all happening almost (but not quite exactly) at once almost symbiotically.

almost as if the movement of the island (AHEM< jalocke!), creates a wave in time, touching several points in the timeline at once (danielle's ship in 1988, marv in 1970whatever & danny in 2004)

it falls more in line with how i think the progression of time is relative to
perception. then what would really splode my brain is if marv et al landed there perceiving it was 1970 because he left in 1970...but the island is timeless so it's not 1970, or 2004 or even 1988.

it just leads me back to my orignal thinking that the island is eternity (all time in a box)l :mad: and i wanted to go somewhere new in my skull



i'd faint if the black rock and its inhabitants also "landed" on the island with dharma, marv, dannyoy, danielle just because of this ONE shift(2004 donkey wheel) in the island's movement.

[carrie3570]

This can easily explain the aging process as well. No one really seems to age much because not alot of time is really passing.

Just an example here:

If Richard and the Other hostiles were on the Black Rock, and someone turned the wheel - voila - it's the 1900's. Richard could have been in his 20's at the time... eventualy enough people turn the wheel and it's 2004 and Richard looks what - 40ish? So basically what I'm saying is this whole thing is crap unless Ben got off the island at somepoint, because he sure has aged... *hits head on desk* nevermind, lol

[professor]

I know I'm obsessing about this, but I reeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy want to know about the freakin' 4 toed statue! I hope that it's indicitive of the island's mysterious forces and not just a 4 toed statue--that would irritate me.

[carrie3570]

That would irritate me too! I still have hope that we will see other artifacts from that time period. Maybe not the rest of that particular statue, but maybe there's more like it somewhere left of the island.

[rl212007]

The funny thing about the 4 toed statue is that it is part of the numbers. Whether that was a coincidence when they thought of it. It could have been biological and didn't need the pinky toe (I think that was the toe that was left out...). I could definitely see things similiar to what has been said appear on the show.

[WickedSlip]

thinking about jack having to "go back" and the reliance of the past on the future (and vice versa) got me thinking. i would lovelovelove:

if the losties cause The Incident. if the island goes back to dharma days, taking the inhabitants with it, and the losties cause the incident.

the more i think that the timeline is sort of set and we're watching action in retrospective, not as it unfolds, the more i think we'll be surprised to see how much of the past/present/future rely on each other. (this ends sonia's wackiness for the day) just sayin'

[Patte]

If the losties cause the incident, they'll have to travel back in time to before 1980. The Swan orientation was made in 1980 and Marvin Candle cautioned against using the computer to communicate with the outside world, 'failure to comply could result in another incident'. Danielle doesn't arrive until 1988 so if they were to be rescued by her team, they wouldn't have had anything to do with the incident. And I really like your theory that they go back to be rescued by Danielle when she arrives at the island.

[D'zle]

WICKET!!! We are sorta on the same page with your theory and my prediction. I also had come to the conclusion that the Black Rock is there because of it being in the wrong place at the wrong time and then POOF....there's the island from its time travel resulting in the Black Rock being so far inland on the island.

I also think that Jin and Faraday and the redshirts Faraday was with traveled with the island. Remember Desmond referring to the island as a snow globe? What if that globe was the area that the island covers when it moves? Since the freighter moved closer to the island, it was now part of that globe and the helicopter wasn't because it was flying above the dome of the globe and not in it, so therefore no McFly travel for the 06.

I also think that the leftbehind Losties will infact become the new "hostiles" I can only assume that the Dharma Initiative is going to be reformed on the show, since they are basing the arg on the DI hiring and testing process. And so when they find the island and settle in there, the left behind losties will be the "hostiles".

I just thought, what would be kinda cool is if the left behind losties were the "hostiles" that ben hid from when he was a kid when he first got to the island. Possibly somehow when the island moved, it moved to a period of time where the DI first setup camp on the island?

The only thing i find difficult about moving back in time is the fact that there would be a second island. Unless it moved back to a time where the island moved to the future. So if the island is there in 1900, they move it and it goes forward in time to 1970, then for it to move back in time without a second one being there it would have to be from 1901 - 1969. That gap of time that the island skipped.

Ok, now im rambling.

[WickedSlip]

If the losties cause the incident, they'll have to travel back in time to before 1980. The Swan orientation was made in 1980 and Marvin Candle cautioned against using the computer to communicate with the outside world, 'failure to comply could result in another incident'. Danielle doesn't arrive until 1988 so if they were to be rescued by her team, they wouldn't have had anything to do with the incident. And I really like your theory that they go back to be rescued by Danielle when she arrives at the island.

that's the timeline problem i had, too. carrie's solution, which makes sense, was that it was 1988 for danielle when she was sucked into the island void, the ilsnad being set at 1970 (for the sake of argument)

if the island is a portal/source (for lack of a better word) for time, turning the donkey wheel may not move it back in time, per se. it may move times which touch it toward it. so danny in 2004 and danielle in 1988 (if her storyis true) and whatever ever else (possibly theblack rock) get sucked into the island when the schizm is created by turning the donkey wheel and pulled into whatever time the island is set to...let's say 1970 again for the sake of argument.

it makes as much sense for danielle to be pulled in from 1988 as it does for danny to be pulled in in 2004.

D!!! yubyubyub great minds, man!!

the irony for the losties to be the hostiles is tooo sweet for me to resist. i'd love for them to be the disruptive island force (hostiles) that they learn about as crash victims in 2004. it avoids ugliness in the science of it all (no dupliation, no loops, no alternate futures)...but requires for them to be dead by the time they arrive in 2004.

who can say adam and eve ten times fast?

i've always thought des and penny were adam and even. which, in this train of logic would mean that they, too, have to return to dharma days but i haven't sussed out how yet.

this almost explains why ben and widmore not only can't find the island, but can't get back to it. ben obviously couldn't go back to where he was a child. if the island has gone back to dharma days, that is. (for the record, the dharma days things is not my theory. the danielle rescuing danny and the lsoties being the hostiles causing the incident is...the dharma days thing is a popular unconfirmed rumor)

as far as two islands going back...they might ought could be connected under the surface if volcano is involved. or like you said, it might be anything within the grasp of the snoglobe.

[Tminus7colors]

Regarding the four-toed statue mentioned earlier in this thread, my theory is similar to Dz's of the Black Rock (which I agree with completely). The island jumps to the future where people have 4 toes and for some reason are so proud and pompous about it that they have to build monuments to their newly evolved anatomy. The island pops up under statue. Statue falls apart because of uneven ground (island topography). Island jumps backward in time, leaving without the rest of the statue that had fallen over, and gone elsewhere.

Also, I like the idea of the Losties = Hostiles. I'm not sure if I would place Miles, Sawyer, Juliet, Rose, etc. there, but definitely Locke, Richard and friends.

[Poopaphone]

I would love to see a scene like the openning of the X Files movie. Some cavemen/natives/etc. running after a boar and stumbling on the statue or the black rock. Lead Caveman is Alpert.

that would great.

anywhoo.

season 1 - Losties
season 2 - island/dharma
season 3 - others
season 4 - Oceanic Six (setting the stage for Climax)
Season 5 - History of the island (statue, Alpert, Jacob, Smokie, Ben/widmore)
Season 6 - Climax = Oceanic 6 returns, purposes finalized, most people die. Kate and Jack walk along the beach, a plane crashes, Kate and Jack are now others.

that's my take. I like the ending, its Animal Farm meets Planet of the Apes. I should sell it to Darlton.

[Sun Ray]

Lost Season 5 Trailer:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rPjCl3izerk