For those who've seen Season 3 Episode 1

[Tminus7colors]

...I gaurantee you, they're planning getting Sawyer and Kate to mate. :eek:

[losty09]

that epi was good. it could have been a bit better though. i liked the opening, it was cool. and sarah was so mean to jack "at least now you will have something fix" that stung

[Knotty.Girl]

Losty!! you got to see it?? Yay!!!!

That was soooo good! I will save the chat, cause our reactions were hilarious!

[AVREY97]

OOH send it to me too!!! His name is Ben!! Fenry is BEN!!!

[The Other]

It was good.

I wanna see when Kate wants to see Jack how the others will bother her about that. If you know what I mean.


Did anyone notice when Jack pressed the thing that said "Communication" on it. It said Let It go Jack. It really sounded like Jacks dad. It probably wasn't him. But Ima check it out tomorroow.

[AVREY97]

In the Canadian preview for next week, Theothers tell Kate and Sawyer everytime they talk they get shocked, and they keep asking for Jack and Sawyer gets shocked. So they're keeping them seperate from Jack next week too I think. I wonder why they are keeping them together but Jack seperate.

[theZealot]

Was that Mr. Friendly lying in the bed when Jack's dad got the call in the hallway and Jack is talking to the nurse about the patient. The guy in the bed looks like Mr. Friendly to me... anyone catch it or have a screen shot?

[vexingmodstwo]

OH MY GOD... that was good.

That's all I'm going to say until all the timezones are aired.

[confidence_man32]

Was that Mr. Friendly lying in the bed when Jack's dad got the call in the hallway and Jack is talking to the nurse about the patient. The guy in the bed looks like Mr. Friendly to me... anyone catch it or have a screen shot?

exactly what i thought, i didnt think jack could remember a glipse of mr friendly long enough to recognize him on the island, so i thought it might be true. and damn i was rele hoping the guy sarah cehated with would be sawyer, but theres only so many time per episode jack can cry right

[Tminus7colors]

In the Canadian preview for next week, Theothers tell Kate and Sawyer everytime they talk they get shocked, and they keep asking for Jack and Sawyer gets shocked. So they're keeping them seperate from Jack next week too I think. I wonder why they are keeping them together but Jack seperate.

I'm tellin' ya... They're gonna make 'em mate!


And in response to the Mr. Friendly thing: I did not see that, but I don't doubt it...

One thing I did notice though, is that the receptionist at the divorce court looked an awful lot like Sun...

[AVREY97]

I don't think Sun ever made it to LA T!:p

[EllelovesLost]

It was good.

I wanna see when Kate wants to see Jack how the others will bother her about that. If you know what I mean.


Did anyone notice when Jack pressed the thing that said "Communication" on it. It said Let It go Jack. It really sounded like Jacks dad. It probably wasn't him. But Ima check it out tomorroow.

I listened to it a few times, and yes it was Jack's dad.

[Ivanka]

Sure sounded like Jack's dad. But Juliet also told Jack that if he didn't eat or drink after the meds they gave him, he'd dehydrate and start hallucinating. So...do we believe that as a hallucination, or is Christian on the other end?

[Knotty.Girl]

Sure sounded like Jack's dad. But Juliet also told Jack that if he didn't eat or drink after the meds they gave him, he'd dehydrate and start hallucinating. So...do we believe that as a hallucination, or is Christian on the other end?

but then does that mean she was lying about the "communication" button not working? Or was she trying to make Jack think he was hallucinating?

[WickedSlip]

but then does that mean she was lying about the "communication" button not working? Or was she trying to make Jack think he was hallucinating?


i vote for screwing with his head. not trying to persuade him to believe any one thing, but making him question what to believe altogether.

[Sun Ray]

Spoiler forum.

[theZealot]

Sure sounded like Jack's dad. But Juliet also told Jack that if he didn't eat or drink after the meds they gave him, he'd dehydrate and start hallucinating. So...do we believe that as a hallucination, or is Christian on the other end?
Did you notice that she said, "We know this because I have his autopsy report." not "We found his body in the forest". I know that's splitting hairs, but no one has found his body.

[Uncle Pasto]

I believe we determined in chat last night that it was not Tom in the hospital and it was not Sun in LA. And the book from the book club was Carrie.

[Detective_X]

Ok, this is mt thinking. Remember when Ben (Fenry, YAY! He has a real name now!) told Kate that the next two weeks would be hard? Well, what if it had already been two weeks when they brought her to the cage? Her hands were awfully scratched up, and she looked completly devistated.....Also, why would she take the food, if she had just had breakfast?

[himfurrytart]

nice point dec x....
i dunno if thats right but maybe some stuff has already happened we havent seen...
i wasnt sure if we were meant to have read into it that she was raped... (i know its harsh) but ben (BEN!) was really horrible and creepy to her at breakfast and it seemed very much like something was being implied. but i like dec x or my stuff has happened but not rape ideas better...
so much to think about from that episode!
so is ben him btw?
im guessing he is... "hes waiting for u"
aw man it ruled.
goodwin and ethan! love em

[theZealot]

I believe we determined in chat last night that it was not Tom in the hospital and it was not Sun in LA. And the book from the book club was Carrie.

I never saw the title... I'm sure somone could get a screen shot, right? I still think it was Tom... but maybe the producers knew we'd be looking an wanted to have fun with us.... who knows... anyone got a screen shot?

[Darkhorse]

Last nights episode was awesome; so full of surprises.

I went back and watched the beginning again and definitely, the Others knew (after the shaking) that a plane was coming. They were all looking "up" long before you could even see the plane. I think Henry even came out the door looking up. So, Desmond's incident did cause the plane crash. Henry/Ben's plan was so ready! This is just awesome. Shocked me!

[cidlpn69]

Did you notice that she said, "We know this because I have his autopsy report." not "We found his body in the forest". I know that's splitting hairs, but no one has found his body.

I know...how could they not have found his body? The Others, I mean. They know that whole island and everything that goes on. Also, an autopsy report can very easily be forged and a fake. Still no proof.

[Poopaphone]

It's just that it was more powerful than "I know your father's dead."

She knew that's why he was flying home. It was for Jack and the viewers to assume that they know EVERYTHING about EVERYONE and have access to the real world (not the reality show).

[Knotty.Girl]

She already knew he was a doctor, but asked him anyway to see what he would say....and now we all know that Jack really wishes he was a "Repo Man".

Like I said in Chat as well, I think all the things they were doing are tests for them.

-Asking Jack about himself, telling him to sit against the wall. I noticed, what she asked him to sit against the wall so she could open the door and put food on the table, and he did that, but she left the room with the food?? (or did I miss her putting it down? - This would be before he jumped at her when she came back)

-Carl telling Sawyer to run out of the cage. I think he is a "stolen" kid, like Alex. Either he was put there as a test for Sawyer, or he was put in there for being bad himself. Either way, it's odd they made him apologize to Sawyer for "including him in his runnaway attempt"

-Kate taking a shower, wearing the clothes and then putting on the handcuffs. I think Harry's and DX's idea about 2 weeks passing is very possible! Good idea guys!

[AVREY97]

She had to leave that room to get to the door to Jacks room

[Knotty.Girl]

She had to leave that room to get to the door to Jacks room


Oh thanks so much! I was very confused, but then again, it could be because I was in chat at the same time. haha. Thanks Avrey!

[theZealot]

It's just that it was more powerful than "I know your father's dead."

You mean like "We found his body in the forest"

[Uncle Pasto]

They are totally doing psychological tests on them. Total mind "F".

[Darkhorse]

Something I noticed:

Jack is kept "inside" in a more comfortable setting, but Kate and Sawyer are outside in the elements in cages, like zoo animals. The Others obviously know everything about the Losties, including their pasts. So, are Kate and Sawyer being "jailed" or punished because of killing in their pasts? If Jack has ever done anything bad, it hasn't been revealed yet.

What do you think?

[ChloeX]

I looked at a freeze frame of the old man in the hospital bed in Jack's flash back. While the man does slightly resemble Tom/Zeke, he is a bit older. I don't think they are the same person

The book they read is Carrie for sure.

What I thought was weird about the autopsy report on Christian was that not just anyone can get their hands on a full autopsy report. Even if they have internet and fax machines, they would still have to have some sort of authority to have access to autopsy reports. So how did they get it? That's what I want to know.

I think the kid Carl was in the cage to tempt Sawyer and to gain his trust. Because now if Sawyer sees Carl later on he will automatically think he is just like him and will trust him. I also think that Juliette is doing the same with Jack, trying to gain his trust.

Did anyone else get the impression that Jack is who they really wanted? Seeing as how they are treating him different then Kate and Sawyer.

[Poopaphone]

You mean like "We found his body in the forest"


I have a copy of his autopsy report is a million times more powerful. Finding his body keeps their control limited to the island. Getting a copy of an autopsy report while Jack and crew are trekking around on an island living in caves and on beaches, is far more compelling.

These guys are truelly in control. It makes Jack far more powerless...

Did anyone else get the impression that Jack is who they really wanted? Seeing as how they are treating him different then Kate and Sawyer.

Don't forget, they let Hurley go too. Maybe they didn't expect Michael to actually pull off getting all of them, but bargained that Jack would be first in line.

[theZealot]

...These guys are truelly in control. It makes Jack far more powerless...
I wasn't questioning their power... I was debating if Christian was dead or not. I still don't think he is... but I'm always a doubting Thomas.

[Knotty.Girl]

I wasn't questioning their power... I was debating if Christian was dead or not. I still don't think he is... but I'm always a doubting Thomas.

I don't think he is dead. You are correct in saying they only said they had an autopsy report and not that they found the body leads to maybe there wasn't a body and poops is correct in saying it holds more power....but who is to say they are not lying about either? She could easily say "I have an autopsy report". He did not ask to look at it, and she wouldn't have to show it to him either.

[Poopaphone]

I don't think he is dead. You are correct in saying they only said they had an autopsy report and not that they found the body leads to maybe there wasn't a body and poops is correct in saying it holds more power....but who is to say they are not lying about either? She could easily say "I have an autopsy report". He did not ask to look at it, and she wouldn't have to show it to him either.

Interesting point. At first a didn't question that they actually happened to have the report, since they knew so much about him, but... if Daddy Drunkbucks is still alive, he could have provided all that info...

[WickedSlip]

i think it's safe to say that unless the viewer sees either (1) his decaying body personally confirmed by jack as daddy drunkbucks (hahahahah) or (b) him standing in front of jack live and well, making emasculating comments and swilling rum, no one is going to be able to confirm or deny he is dead.

[Uncle Pasto]

Jack may not have directly killed anybody but he did lead his father back to the bottle which in turn killed him.

Also with the autopsy report. They are really not that hard to get a hold of. I worked for a company that used cadaver skin to make a botox like product and we got autopsy reports with every "donation". Interesting reading...

[alarose20]

I wasn't questioning their power... I was debating if Christian was dead or not. I still don't think he is... but I'm always a doubting Thomas.
hey lookie here.. I agree for a change... I"ve said it for a while that until I see a body again, I won't believe Christian's dead...

Also, I think the fact that they have all of Jack's information (IF they are telling the truth) means that they have contact with the outside world b/c Christian supposedly "died" only days before the flight... so even if they knew Jack was on the plane, and that the plane was coming over them, they would have still had to get that information at that time..

NOW if CHristian ISN'T dead, then, they could have had all this information for awhile and the whole thing was a setup for Jack to get on the plane, and for it to crash. So contact may not be as we think it is...

[ChloeX]

Jack may not have directly killed anybody but he did lead his father back to the bottle which in turn killed him.

Also with the autopsy report. They are really not that hard to get a hold of. I worked for a company that used cadaver skin to make a botox like product and we got autopsy reports with every "donation". Interesting reading...
Neat-o Past-o! :)
Thanks for that tid bit of info about autopsy reports, that makes it more believable that they actually do have the report. if he's really dead.)
I bet you have a few cool stories about that job.

[Poopaphone]

Also with the autopsy report. They are really not that hard to get a hold of. I worked for a company that used cadaver skin to make a botox like product and we got autopsy reports with every "donation". Interesting reading...


Were you on an uknown island in the South Pacific, surrounded by Polar Bears, nanobot monsters, and being held against your will in a giant aquarium at the time?

If so, can you get me Kate's phone #?

That point is, it doesn't matter if it was a post-it-note with the words "Grape Jelly" on it, the fact that they can communicate with the outside world, that would be enough to drive you crazy; if you were Jack...

[WickedSlip]

Were you on an uknown island in the South Pacific, surrounded by Polar Bears, nanobot monsters, and being held against your will in a giant aquarium at the time?

If so, can you get me Kate's phone #?

That point is, it doesn't matter if it was a post-it-note with the words "Grape Jelly" on it, the fact that they can communicate with the outside world, that would be enough to drive you crazy; if you were Jack...

yay! finally! imo, ultimately, THAT is the point of The File. not for us to run in circles about jack's father's autposy report...but ummmmm they not only have contact with the outside world but some serious connections in said world.

provides for me supporting evidence that the group of others we see are just the island team of a larger mainland organization.....(can you say hanso foundation ten times fast?)

[ChloeX]

Still being connected to the Hanso Foundation would explain their seemingly unending supply of things.

What a crazy realization for Jack. To know that the others have outside contact and could have helped in getting them rescued.

In regards to Jack's file...I was so waiting for Juliette to say "Jack, we know about your half sister and her name is...." That would have been great! Maybe Jack will get to look at his file later on and see that he has a half sister, and maybe it will be Clarie. One can hope anyhow. :)

[Poopaphone]

yay! finally! imo, ultimately, THAT is the point of The File. not for us to run in circles about jack's father's autposy report...but ummmmm they not only have contact with the outside world but some serious connections in said world.

provides for me supporting evidence that the group of others we see are just the island team of a larger mainland organization.....(can you say hanso foundation ten times fast?)


I would have typed it sooner, if I had known you were waiting for it.

And I only got to 3 times fast, then Bloody Mary and Beetlejuice got me...

[WickedSlip]

Still being connected to the Hanso Foundation would explain their seemingly unending supply of things.

What a crazy realization for Jack. To know that the others have outside contact and could have helped in getting them rescued.

In regards to Jack's file...I was so waiting for Juliette to say "Jack, we know about your half sister and her name is...." That would have been great! Maybe Jack will get to look at his file later on and see that he has a half sister, and maybe it will be Clarie. One can hope anyhow. :)

oh, they'll never give up their ace. they have all the goods on our losties. that is some serious leverage.

poop, i realize obtaining kate's number is desperately important, but SOME of us want the speculation stuff, too. sheesh.

[Knotty.Girl]

I think if someone, doesn't matter who, found there way to the files, or the files were left out or something happened and someone read the files and it said that about Claire, I would love it!

[ChloeX]

oh, they'll never give up their ace. they have all the goods on our losties. that is some serious leverage.
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Agreed, I don't think they would want the Losties to know what they know. Maybe Jack will steal it and read it all! I hope, mostly because I want to know what's in there, and if Jack finds out then we will also. :) I'm just dying to know about Christian's Australian mistress and the possible step sister.

[WickedSlip]

Agreed, I don't think they would want the Losties to know what they know. Maybe Jack will steal it and read it all! I hope, mostly because I want to know what's in there, and if Jack finds out then we will also. :) I'm just dying to know about Christian's Australian mistress and the possible step sister.

i'd bet the file will be destroyed in some way, so the knowledge will only exist in the mind of juliet. maybe they'll fight for it and it will be burned/thrown over a cliff, etc., either intentionally by juliet to protect jack or inadvertently in the melee.

regardless, it is too nice and neat a package to be at (while not readily) his disposal. that evidence is going to have to go poof in order to maintain any mystery or tension. imo.

i wonder if they have these files on everyone, or just the three they have under arrest?

does anyone else think carl is a plant?

(no, poop, not a rhodedenron...a mole)

(no, poop, not a rodent..... a spy)

[ChloeX]

does anyone else think carl is a plant?

(no, poop, not a rhodedenron...a mole)

(no, poop, not a rodent..... a spy)
I do, I think that he was put there to make Sawyer trust him. So later when Sawyer sees Carl he will think that they are alike, and that he can be trusted

[Knotty.Girl]

I do, I think that he was put there to make Sawyer trust him. So later when Sawyer sees Carl he will think that they are alike, and that he can be trusted

Yep, like we discussed last night!!! Yes, we are figuring out Lost!

[digitalspector]

hanso foundation
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copy and paste is a beautiful thing.

[Uncle Pasto]

Poop I hear you about being on an island and all that but my point was that it is not nearly as impossible to get a copy of the autopsy reprt as one would like to believe. And if I had Kate's number I would not be sharing it with anybody.


I bet you have a few cool stories about that job.


Chloe there are a few good ones in there but the one I remember the best is a guy wanting to donate his kidneys to Walter Payton the late football player. Strange last request.

[WickedSlip]

Yep, like we discussed last night!!! Yes, we are figuring out Lost!

i'm sorry if my posts are redundant knotty, but i wasn't in chat for most of the discussion and i didn't see where some of this stuff had been discussed on the boards.:o

[professor]

i'd bet the file will be destroyed in some way, so the knowledge will only exist in the mind of juliet. maybe they'll fight for it and it will be burned/thrown over a cliff, etc., either intentionally by juliet to protect jack or inadvertently in the melee.

regardless, it is too nice and neat a package to be at (whilout je not readily) his disposal. that evidence is going to have to go poof in order to maintain any mystery or tension. imo.

i wonder if they have these files on everyone, or just the three they have under arrest?


Even if the file was destroyed they still have access to the information. Juliet said they have information on everything about jack. That is a lot of info to access. They must be able to Google out there. Hahahah I think losing the file would be more of an inconvenience than anything else.

[WickedSlip]

Even if the file was destroyed they still have access to the information. Juliet said they have information on everything about jack. That is a lot of info to access. They must be able to Google out there. Hahahah I think losing the file would be more of an inconvenience than anything else.

i'm sorry, i miscommunicated that:

of course the others would have acces still. but jack's access would be limited. right now, in that file, it is in a nice neat package missing a pretty pink bow. if his info is made so accessable to him, it dimishes the tension and mystery.

naturally the others still have access to the info.

[Knotty.Girl]

i'm sorry if my posts are redundant knotty, but i wasn't in chat for most of the discussion and i didn't see where some of this stuff had been discussed on the boards.:o


Geeze, what are you going soft or something? ;) I was excited that on some things we all seem to almost be on the same page, which means it COULD maybe, hopefully, kinda sorta right.


Which if you think about it, that could mean we are all wrong.....

[WickedSlip]

Geeze, what are you going soft or something? ;) I was excited that on some things we all seem to almost be on the same page, which means it COULD maybe, hopefully, kinda sorta right.


Which if you think about it, that could mean we are all wrong.....


omg! soft??!!

/me thinks knotty took temporary custody of my purple badge and replaced it with her NiceNiceCuddleCuddle pink one.....

oh we are so all wrong. or tptb will see how right we are and make us wrong. unless they like our rightness (a la losty's hydra) in which case we are writing this for them. i want royalties. give me back my purple badge so i can stomp my feet.

[mattyrewls22]

OH MY GOD. that was the best episode EVER. It think it was a little fast paced with the flashbacks... and henry, when jack opened the door, henry ran to the otherside and slammed the door in Juliets face. Trust issues? I also thing they were trying to drug them after they were there- Juliet kept trying to offer him food. Now, i don't think they're trying to make if fat now do you ;).

And i think karl was just there to see how sawyer would escape and how fast he could etc.,

Overall GREAT EP, anyone know the ratings?

[ChloeX]

My newest incomplete and not really well thought out theory about the island:

We know from TLE that the Dharma Initiative failed, but maybe it failed on a large scale only. Maybe they were able to affect the out come out the Valenzeti Equation on a small scale, i.e. the island. So now the Dharma scientists have retired on their safe-from-the-end-of-the-world island. The 6 aspects of the Valenzeti Equation are in balance when all of a sudden a plane crashes. Whether the plane crashed by fate, coincidence, or luck of the drawl, the Equation is thrown out of whack. Now the Others have to do what they can to make sure they are still protected for dooms day. They have to readjust for the new data and make the Equation work.

Does that make any sense what so ever? Am I just really really dumb? It sounded good in my head, but reading it back to myself I think is sounds a little stupid. I guess I'll post it any way for the sake of conversation. :rolleyes:

[Knotty.Girl]

My newest incomplete and not really well thought out theory about the island:

We know from TLE that the Dharma Initiative failed, but maybe it failed on a large scale only. Maybe they were able to affect the out come out the Valenzeti Equation on a small scale, i.e. the island. So now the Dharma scientists have retired on their safe-from-the-end-of-the-world island. The 6 aspects of the Valenzeti Equation are in balance when all of a sudden a plane crashes. Whether the plane crashed by fate, coincidence, or luck of the drawl, the Equation is thrown out of whack. Now the Others have to do what they can to make sure they are still protected for dooms day. They have to readjust for the new data and make the Equation work.

Does that make any sense what so ever? Am I just really really dumb? It sounded good in my head, but reading it back to myself I think is sounds a little stupid. I guess I'll post it any way for the sake of conversation. :rolleyes:


I think it's genius! and could very well be something that is really happening in the show. And they say the TLE was for nothing!

[WickedSlip]

My newest incomplete and not really well thought out theory about the island:

We know from TLE that the Dharma Initiative failed, but maybe it failed on a large scale only. Maybe they were able to affect the out come out the Valenzeti Equation on a small scale, i.e. the island. So now the Dharma scientists have retired on their safe-from-the-end-of-the-world island. The 6 aspects of the Valenzeti Equation are in balance when all of a sudden a plane crashes. Whether the plane crashed by fate, coincidence, or luck of the drawl, the Equation is thrown out of whack. Now the Others have to do what they can to make sure they are still protected for dooms day. They have to readjust for the new data and make the Equation work.

Does that make any sense what so ever? Am I just really really dumb? It sounded good in my head, but reading it back to myself I think is sounds a little stupid. I guess I'll post it any way for the sake of conversation. :rolleyes:

that makes sense to me. i think. are you saying that dharma, with its wellintentioned members solved the mystery of the equation, globally disolved and retired on the island only to be recalled to duty (so to speak) by the plane crash screwing everything up all over again?

i understand that, bu i disagree with it. only because of the conflict between henry/ben and juliet. that leads me to believe somethin ain't right.

[Knotty.Girl]

i understand that, bu i disagree with it. only because of the conflict between henry/ben and juliet. that leads me to believe somethin ain't right.


Could it be he is the "leader" and lets just say, maybe, MAYBE she is the twin of Penelope Widmore (doesn't she look just like the woman from the end of Season 2 Finale) and she feels she should be the leader?

[alarose20]

My newest incomplete and not really well thought out theory about the island:

We know from TLE that the Dharma Initiative failed, but maybe it failed on a large scale only. Maybe they were able to affect the out come out the Valenzeti Equation on a small scale, i.e. the island. So now the Dharma scientists have retired on their safe-from-the-end-of-the-world island. The 6 aspects of the Valenzeti Equation are in balance when all of a sudden a plane crashes. Whether the plane crashed by fate, coincidence, or luck of the drawl, the Equation is thrown out of whack. Now the Others have to do what they can to make sure they are still protected for dooms day. They have to readjust for the new data and make the Equation work.

Does that make any sense what so ever? Am I just really really dumb? It sounded good in my head, but reading it back to myself I think is sounds a little stupid. I guess I'll post it any way for the sake of conversation. :rolleyes:
sounds good to me... but remember from Alvar's movie that the reason was to "change" one of the numbers.. or core values...

Consider the equation as "proof" of when the human race will cease to exist... if you are able to change at least one, then you have dispproven (word check from wicked on aisle 6) the equation, thus making the equation false, and ultimately avoiding the end of our race.

It's possible that this WAS changed as you said, and that as long as they're there, they keep it in check. If they were to leave, then the equation may right itself, and we'd need a do over of the original DHARMA initiative.
I apologize if I restated much of your theory, my response to your's sounded a bit different in my head, so if it's more identical than different, you've got dibs! :)

It's plausible... I still go with a theory that they are there to stop the product of the "incident" whatever that was. They are good, but b/c of the scale of the issue, they can't give all the information, and they must be militaristic in their ways in order to insure the completion of their goals. Therefore, they appear mean, and evil, but overall in the grand shceme of things, they are fighting for an overall good.

[ChloeX]

that makes sense to me. i think. are you saying that dharma, with its wellintentioned members solved the mystery of the equation, globally disolved and retired on the island only to be recalled to duty (so to speak) by the plane crash screwing everything up all over again?

i understand that, bu i disagree with it. only because of the conflict between henry/ben and juliet. that leads me to believe somethin ain't right.
Sorta...like i said it's an incomplete idea. :)
Mostly what I'm thinking is that they found no ethical way to affect the end of the world on a scale large enough to help the whole world. But maybe in all the testing they did they discovered that they were able to affect small areas. So they did what they had to do on the island and made it their new home so that they could survive dooms day. But, now that their little balance it messed up they have to rethink the whole thing. Maybe Juliette doesn't agree with Ben and his merciless ways. Maybe she doesn't want to bend her morals for her own survival, but Ben has no trouble with it.

I'm not sure I buy my own theory either....but a thought though.

P.S. is it effect or affect? I can't remember. See, I am dumb. :p

[Poopaphone]

I don't think Carl is a plant, or mineral. I think he's like an Alex.

Someone in the organization, but not a true "other" (whatever they are). Someone lower on the totem pole. Someone really getting punished. Possibly for caring about the Losties.

Remember how Alex helped Claire, then asked Michael about her. They seem closer in age then the rest of the Losties. I bet he genuinely wanted Sawyer to escape, and he genuienly wanted to escape - to help the Losties.

He told Sawyer to run in the opposite direction as him. He wanted the others to chase him. Probably because he'd have a better chance of escaping. I'm sure he didn't take in account that J would be at the Hydra, since he was already in the cage, and not privy to that info. So he ran towards the losties, and sawyer, unfortunately for him, ran into the only one left...

and if he was a plant, why'd he get beat up, and brought somewhere else. A plant, they would have beat up, and put back in the same cage. So Swayer would trust him...

Of course, it's all speculation.

And why was Carl in the cage? If all the above is true, maybe he had a part in Ben getting captured. Like he panicked and took off, instead of helping ben. So he get's put in the cage.

Or maybe I should shut up and get some work done...

[WickedSlip]

Could it be he is the "leader" and lets just say, maybe, MAYBE she is the twin of Penelope Widmore (doesn't she look just like the woman from the end of Season 2 Finale) and she feels she should be the leader?


no, yes, no. i almost thought it was penelope. i would have. if not for her having called herself juliet. as far as the "no"s in my response....likely she wants his control, but i wonder why she wants mutiny.

also brings to mind the "double" of jack in the monitoring station in the snow....

[ChloeX]

sounds good to me... but remember from Alvar's movie that the reason was to "change" one of the numbers.. or core values...

Consider the equation as "proof" of when the human race will cease to exist... if you are able to change at least one, then you have dispproven (word check from wicked on aisle 6) the equation, thus making the equation false, and ultimately avoiding the end of our race.

It's possible that this WAS changed as you said, and that as long as they're there, they keep it in check. If they were to leave, then the equation may right itself, and we'd need a do over of the original DHARMA initiative.
I apologize if I restated much of your theory, my response to your's sounded a bit different in my head, so if it's more identical than different, you've got dibs! :)

It's plausible... I still go with a theory that they are there to stop the product of the "incident" whatever that was. They are good, but b/c of the scale of the issue, they can't give all the information, and they must be militaristic in their ways in order to insure the completion of their goals. Therefore, they appear mean, and evil, but overall in the grand shceme of things, they are fighting for an overall good.
I see what you're saying ala, and it is different. Similar but not the same. It's a good idea also. I like it too.

[WickedSlip]

[QUOTE]sounds good to me... but remember from Alvar's movie that the reason was to "change" one of the numbers.. or core values...

Consider the equation as "proof" of when the human race will cease to exist... if you are able to change at least one, then you have dispproven (word check from wicked on aisle 6) the equation, thus making the equation false, and ultimately avoiding the end of our race.

disprove: to refute
disapprove: to reject, condemn

this theory deserves it's own thread, chloe. is it time to start making those knotty, despite fear of double posting? cause these few s3ep1 threads are getting garbled with so many good ideas that ideas (like matty's) are being lost in the shuffle.

Remember how Alex helped Claire, then asked Michael about her. They seem closer in age then the rest of the Losties. I bet he genuinely wanted Sawyer to escape, and he genuienly wanted to escape - to help the Losties.

see, this coupled with juliet's resentment of ben leads me to believe there is mutiny ahead. and i think the purpose/reason/cause for the mutiny will shed light on the role of ben and others (et al. hahahah; sorry, word geek joke)

there is plentiful dissention in the ranks and i wanna know why.

(don't go to work poop.)

[Knotty.Girl]

[QUOTE=alarose20]

disprove: to refute
disapprove: to reject, condemn

this theory deserves it's own thread, chloe. is it time to start making those knotty, despite fear of double posting? cause these few s3ep1 threads are getting garbled with so many good ideas that ideas (like matty's) are being lost in the shuffle.


Double Posting Solution

As long as the topic of the thread is SPECIFIC (Ex: Theory of Carl vs. Episode 1 theories, see what I mean? This is not doubling, unless someone else makes a thread titled similar and the content is then similar.) then it would be easier to keep things in places they belong. Also, we do have an episode section on this site, so maybe it would be time to put that to better use?

[Poopaphone]

(don't go to work poop.)


my boss just sent out an email, we're all going drinking at 4:30, you got me for 23 more minutes...

BTW he and I and four others went on a three hour drinking lunch already today, thus the length and insanity of my previous threads...

[rochgaetano]

that epi was good. it could have been a bit better though. i liked the opening, it was cool. and sarah was so mean to jack "at least now you will have something fix" that stung

Let me get this straight .. Jack saves her life and gives her the gift to walk again and she cheats on him and she wants him to get a lawyer cause she
will want to get a good settlement ..:confused:

[Poopaphone]

Let me get this straight .. Jack saves her life and gives her the gift to walk again and she cheats on him and she wants him to get a lawyer cause she
will want to get a good settlement ..:confused:


In her defense, it's really tough to get married under false pretenses. If your under the impression someone is in love with you, but really they only married you out of obligation/pitty/or otherwise false pretenses, it can really throw you for a loop.

Let's pretend that I'm not speaking out of experience...

[rochgaetano]

In her defense, it's really tough to get married under false pretenses. If your under the impression someone is in love with you, but really they only married you out of obligation/pitty/or otherwise false pretenses, it can really throw you for a loop.

Let's pretend that I'm not speaking out of experience...

Okay, I will give you that ... He is the one who saved your life ... You
have not been married that long and you want to take him to the cleaners..
To her defense though ( see I can do it ) ... The man before Jack skipped town
when she got hurt .. So her experience with men are not great ..

[ChloeX]

In her defense, it's really tough to get married under false pretenses. If your under the impression someone is in love with you, but really they only married you out of obligation/pitty/or otherwise false pretenses, it can really throw you for a loop.

Let's pretend that I'm not speaking out of experience...
True enough, but I think that Jack really loved her, he just didn't know how to show it. I think he was married to his job first, then her. Boy was he wrong about that!

Poop, I hope you're not speaking from experience, that would make me sad. :(

[Knotty.Girl]

True enough, but I think that Jack really loved her, he just didn't know how to show it. I think he was married to his job first, then her. Boy was he wrong about that!

Poop, I hope you're not speaking from experience, that would make me sad. :(


Wasn't it that she was broken, he fixed her, and then he had nothing else to fix (unless you consider his broken marriage)

[WickedSlip]

i have a fuzzy vague recollection of him balking on his wedding day and getting a pep talk from daddy.

can someone with a better memory recall that more definitively?

[ChloeX]

I think he did get a little case of cold feet, and his dad did help him out.

Jack did fix her, but I also like to think that he really loved her also.

Jack, he's an enigma...

[Christoph]

Ok I'm not going to lie, i absolutely hated it. It didn't do a thing for me, or answer any of the questions I had. I found the whole episode completely bland and uneventful. The biggest thing was Jack's escape attempt, and that wasn't even that good. I did how ever find it funny when Sawyer got the fish biscut haha the little dance thing he did wsa great. I also found the others very two dimensional. They were just there to be mean, and to boss people around. I would have to give this episode about 1/2 of a star out of ten.

[losty09]

chris, i completely understand what you are saying. To be honest, i felt the underwater hatch flood scene completely unecessary and useless. it should have been introduced later on when it could be focused on more.

Also, i foudn the whole side kate thing to be really weird. the whole breakfast thing.. i mean it had no point. it was all filler.

i personaly would have started with the results of the hatch stuff, and left the others until we got some closure on that.

oh well. the opening was cool. i guess i will have to wait for a better episode.

[Tminus7colors]

Everybody's a cynic...

I felt everything completely necessary. It is obviously building up to the fact that the Others are there to get Kate and Sawyer to mate.

[losty09]

yes but... the flooding scene could have been so much more. it could have been a whole episode in itself about his investigation of that hatch, and its purpose. i mean it might not have been a great episode, but there is that much material that was just squashed into 5 minutes and then tossed aside.

[WickedSlip]

Ok I'm not going to lie, i absolutely hated it. It didn't do a thing for me, or answer any of the questions I had. I found the whole episode completely bland and uneventful. The biggest thing was Jack's escape attempt, and that wasn't even that good. I did how ever find it funny when Sawyer got the fish biscut haha the little dance thing he did wsa great. I also found the others very two dimensional. They were just there to be mean, and to boss people around. I would have to give this episode about 1/2 of a star out of ten.

YAY for the Happy Dance! unfortunately, it wasn't an Official Happy Naked Dance, but a girl can dream........

two dimensional? seriously? ben/henry performs an outstanding jedi mind **** and he is lacking in substance? ok. i can't agree with you, but ok....i understand where you're coming from.

[Uncle Pasto]

Hmmm I liked it. It answered a few kingering questions from S2 and set a foundation for future episodes. This assures that we will come back next week to find out more. Not that we wouldn't anyway.

[losty09]

i'm not at all saying that i didn't like it. of course i liked it. i just would have liked to see it done differently

[theZealot]

i'm not at all saying that i didn't like it. of course i liked it. i just would have liked to see it done differently

For the first time I gotta say that this episode (for as much as we had to wait) was kinda ehhh OK as far as the OMG! factor, like the hatch, the crash, the map, the others... but it seemed like a really well orchestrated setup...

Why is Jack under water and the rest are on land? Do they consider him Dangerous? Special?

I had started a thread a while back... it was called everything in a name.

Juliet is just tooooo awesome a name to dismiss.... Who's her Romeo? Desmond? wonder what will happen there?

I expected exactly what I got... a lot of development to introduce new characters.

[confidence_man32]

the dancing/conducting thing sawyer did, it was priceless, does anyone have a scene of that?

[Knotty.Girl]

Ok I'm not going to lie, i absolutely hated it. It didn't do a thing for me, or answer any of the questions I had. I found the whole episode completely bland and uneventful. The biggest thing was Jack's escape attempt, and that wasn't even that good. I did how ever find it funny when Sawyer got the fish biscut haha the little dance thing he did wsa great. I also found the others very two dimensional. They were just there to be mean, and to boss people around. I would have to give this episode about 1/2 of a star out of ten.

Not as good as a finger dance!!! :yeah:

[professor]

chris, i completely understand what you are saying. To be honest, i felt the underwater hatch flood scene completely unecessary and useless. it should have been introduced later on when it could be focused on more.

Also, i foudn the whole side kate thing to be really weird. the whole breakfast thing.. i mean it had no point. it was all filler.
i personaly would have started with the results of the hatch stuff, and left the others until we got some closure on that.

oh well. the opening was cool. i guess i will have to wait for a better episode.


Losty, I prefer to think of that scene the begining of a scene and we'll get the rest later--otherwise, I agree that it insignificant.

[theZealot]

the dancing/conducting thing sawyer did, it was priceless, does anyone have a scene of that?

Dude and when he answers, "I figured out your fancy gizmo is how." when Zeek smiles about him getting the fish bisccut, I started laughing.

Then when zeek says it only took the bears 2 hours to figure it out ( I wonder how long Sawyer was in there?) he looks all dejected then, "How many were there?" I laughed so hard I had to pause my DVR.

Sawyer is by far my favorite character and I have said it since the begining.

[ChloeX]

I have to disagree about the Others being one dimensional. The have a lot going on. There seems to me to be a lot of potential in them as interesting characters. Come on, they are a small village in the middle of a huge mysterious island, they have book clubs and muffins. Then at the drop of a hat they become militant and dangerous. There is so much there to explore! I also think that the breakfast with Kate and Ben is important and not just filler. It shows how maniacal and creepy Ben can be. What kind of weirdo treats a prisoner to a lovely sea side breakfast right before punishing her for 2 weeks?!?! I think the scene showed Ben's real personality. It shows that he can be kind but he can also be very disconnected and terrible.

[losty09]

the others are definatley not one dimensional. at all.

[WickedSlip]

I have to disagree about the Others being one dimensional. The have a lot going on. There seems to me to be a lot of potential in them as interesting characters. Come on, they are a small village in the middle of a huge mysterious island, they have book clubs and muffins. Then at the drop of a hat they become militant and dangerous. There is so much there to explore! I also think that the breakfast with Kate and Ben is important and not just filler. It shows how maniacal and creepy Ben can be. What kind of weirdo treats a prisoner to a lovely sea side breakfast right before punishing her for 2 weeks?!?! I think the scene showed Ben's real personality. It shows that he can be kind but he can also be very disconnected and terrible.

heeheehaahaahahahahaha! roflmao!

i have no idea why, but that is just completely funny.

seriously, though.... there is nothing one dimensional about the others. the breakfast scene was a well orchestrated jedi mind ****. a character without substance and depth wouldn't be able to pull that off.

[Ivanka]

I have to disagree about the Others being one dimensional. The have a lot going on. There seems to me to be a lot of potential in them as interesting characters. Come on, they are a small village in the middle of a huge mysterious island, they have book clubs and muffins. Then at the drop of a hat they become militant and dangerous. There is so much there to explore! I also think that the breakfast with Kate and Ben is important and not just filler. It shows how maniacal and creepy Ben can be. What kind of weirdo treats a prisoner to a lovely sea side breakfast right before punishing her for 2 weeks?!?! I think the scene showed Ben's real personality. It shows that he can be kind but he can also be very disconnected and terrible.
Well, exactly. Which begs the question: Who is supplying them? And even assuming internet orders, is there a landing strip for airborne deliveries? Did anyone notice a road? Let's not even dwell on the sugar and flour necessary for muffins, or the fresh strawberries in the fruit salad.

I agree with wicked re: Benry - he's a manipulative creep, and I see his every move as a psychological ploy. "Kind" to Kate? Part of the torture, I think, in that it will make everything that comes after it seem even worse.

[RiverTheBald]

Well, exactly. Which begs the question: Who is supplying them? And even assuming internet orders, is there a landing strip for airborne deliveries? Did anyone notice a road?

While they don't need a landing strip or a road (remember the food drops? They can be done by helicopter) I do think that it's important to learn who is supplying them. Those food drops have to come From somewhere, so someone on the outside is financing all of this and can find the island easily it seems.

[Ivanka]

While they don't need a landing strip or a road (remember the food drops? They can be done by helicopter) I do think that it's important to learn who is supplying them. Those food drops have to come From somewhere, so someone on the outside is financing all of this and can find the island easily it seems.
Yeah; I remembered the food drops right after I posted. But, still - we had a long shot of the Others' community, and it seemed just isolated in that clearing without anything around it. That implies a lot of support of many kinds.

[Agent Smith]

For the first time I gotta say that this episode (for as much as we had to wait) was kinda ehhh OK as far as the OMG! factor, like the hatch, the crash, the map, the others... but it seemed like a really well orchestrated setup...

Why is Jack under water and the rest are on land? Do they consider him Dangerous? Special?

I had started a thread a while back... it was called everything in a name.

Juliet is just tooooo awesome a name to dismiss.... Who's her Romeo? Desmond? wonder what will happen there?

I expected exactly what I got... a lot of development to introduce new characters.I've heard that she's a potential love interest for Jack.

[RiverTheBald]

Yeah; I remembered the food drops right after I posted. But, still - we had a long shot of the Others' community, and it seemed just isolated in that clearing without anything around it. That implies a lot of support of many kinds.

The way that it's set up though does lend to having a helicopter land in the middle and then hand out food or whatever they need. But yes, they would need quite a bit.

[Agent Smith]

chris, i completely understand what you are saying. To be honest, i felt the underwater hatch flood scene completely unecessary and useless. it should have been introduced later on when it could be focused on more.

Also, i foudn the whole side kate thing to be really weird. the whole breakfast thing.. i mean it had no point. it was all filler.

i personaly would have started with the results of the hatch stuff, and left the others until we got some closure on that.

oh well. the opening was cool. i guess i will have to wait for a better episode.Two things I felt while that scene was playing out...First, it felt different. The scene seemed to be a little brighter than any we've scene in the past. I told my girlfriend while we were watching that it looks different. I don't know if it was just me or if it was a conscious effort by the writers to let us know that they weren't on the island that we've come to know.

Secondly, when he told Kate that the next two weeks were going to be very unpleasant, I couldn't help thinking that maybe 'The Others' weren't bad people and they were just pretty ticked off at what 'The Losties' had done to Ben. Now it's time for some payback.

[Knotty.Girl]

Two things I felt while that scene was playing out...First, it felt different. The scene seemed to be a little brighter than any we've scene in the past. I told my girlfriend while we were watching that it looks different. I don't know if it was just me or if it was a conscious effort by the writers to let us know that they weren't on the island that we've come to know.


I mentioned to my boyfriend it looked like they were kinda "morphed" on the screen. Like it was a fake backdrop? It did seem a little weird, I didn't remember it until you mentioned yours.

[mattyrewls22]

I didn't think the kate thing was a filler atall... I think that scene was creepy... and it just seemed differentish... like... CGI water... meh hard to explain.

I mentioned to my boyfriend it looked like they were kinda "morphed" on the screen. Like it was a fake backdrop? It did seem a little weird, I didn't remember it until you mentioned yours.


Yes! knotty!!! i felt exactly the same!

[Darkhorse]

I don't think the Kate and Benry scene was just a filler. It messed with my head as at first it seemed Benry was interested in Kate, courting her, then I was creeped out when he made the "next two weeks" statement. Judging from Kate's appearance, emotions and wrist marks, the breakfast became more unpleasant than we saw. Fixin2 mentioned in chat that perhaps they are going to make Kate "choose" between Sawyer and Jack.

And the scene did seem brighter - different.

As far as the food, this episode seemed to focus a lot on it. What was the purpose of showing Juliet cooking and burning the muffins? Breakfast with Benry on the beach, then the grilled cheese and all that stuff about making Jack sit down to get the food and what happens when if you don't eat. Then Sawyer with the fish biscuit and Kate eating it. That was a pretty touching moment when Sawyer gave it to her. But, again.... lots of focus on food and eating.

[cidlpn69]

I don't think the Kate and Benry scene was just a filler. It messed with my head as at first it seemed Benry was interested in Kate, courting her, then I was creeped out when he made the "next two weeks" statement. Judging from Kate's appearance, emotions and wrist marks, the breakfast became more unpleasant than we saw. Fixin2 mentioned in chat that perhaps they are going to make Kate "choose" between Sawyer and Jack.

And the scene did seem brighter - different.

As far as the food, this episode seemed to focus a lot on it. What was the purpose of showing Juliet cooking and burning the muffins? Breakfast with Benry on the beach, then the grilled cheese and all that stuff about making Jack sit down to get the food and what happens when if you don't eat. Then Sawyer with the fish biscuit and Kate eating it. That was a pretty touching moment when Sawyer gave it to her. But, again.... lots of focus on food and eating.

Yes!! Good catch. And it makes me think that the others have had Jack, Kate and Sawyer awhile...and maybe had them sedated/drugged (well, Juilet told Jack that he needed to eat cuz of the "drugs" they gave him). Also, Jack and Co. had plenty of food back at their camp, with the new food drop. They weren't exactly going hungry b4 the capture.

[Knotty.Girl]

Yes! knotty!!! i felt exactly the same!

If they meant for it to look that (everything else looks so clear and not fake - so it has to be something they meant to do?) I wonder what it would mean? Are they telling us that they were not really on a beach at all? Almost like on Star Trek the Next Generation's Hollowdeck where they can make it look like whatever they want it to look like, and no one can really tell the diffrence.