Speculation Thread

[confidence_man32]

alright i looked everywhere and there's no speculation thread, i really want to know what you guys think will happen in season 3, ive said it before, i think jack will join the others but i wanna see what other interesting speculations are out there. let it all out

[losty09]

we have a season 3 predictions thread in the lost foilers section, but i guess another is fine. So here is my main theory again.

Michael is getting sick. His arms/hands/head are all scabby, he has been sick in the jungle.In the finale, they draw a lot of attention to the sickness, with all the desmond/ kelvin stuff, and the quarantine sign landing on hte beach what better way to set up for someone getting sick, and it being revealed in season 3. When they took michael's blood, it was to test for the sickness. They found out he had it, and that's why they let him go. They know he will be weak. They instructions they gave him will send hem to another outpost of others, where they will take walt back from the too weak michael.

i think we will learn more about the history of the island, hence the four toed statue

i think we will find out more about Danielle and what really happened to her team concerning the sickness

[confidence_man32]

alright here are my other speculations *SPOILERISH IF IM RIGHT*

- the aggressive new leader is rousseau
- kate hooks up with sawyer cuz jack joins the others
- sayid builds a militia
- the smoke monster was the image of walt (hence the whispers prior to seeing him)
- claire is jacks half sister (i recall when claire said her father was never there)
- the season ends with roussau's story and just like prior seasons, it ends on a note, being the "sickness", with jack having something to do with it (considering he joins the others to replace ethan as a doctor)

[mattyrewls22]

I think the leader is sun.

[Uncle Pasto]

Losty I like your theories. They make alot of sense.

[losty09]

why thank you pasto. People usually think i am an idiot (not on this site) when i tell them my theories.

[Uncle Pasto]

An idiot...never!

[AVREY97]

I like your theories as well Losty, my only concern is that Michaels characture is not supposed to be coming back this season.:(
I like the idea of Jack joining the others. That would truly blow me away. I think Charlie is going to step it up a bit this season, but as for a leader? I can see Mr John Locke returning to his true kicking jungle ass form. His characture last season took a miserable turn for the worst, he's due.

[losty09]

that's true, he isn't on the cast. But that doesn't mean he can't come on as a guest actor

or

that they leave the michael walt story alone for a season and return to it in season 4. Not very plausible i know, but still possible.

[Rock God]

Chalie is going to be intresting this season. I assume that this season is more about finding more of these chracters purposes on the Island since the title is called, "Find yourself". I am guessing Charly is going to be more of protecting the Losties. Though i believe if he was a leader, that would be intresting.

[WickedSlip]

losty, i agree with your michael theory. i think all the feared unknowns that we thought may have been irrational will turn out to be real.

i don't think it's improbable that he will pop up in future episodes.

jack joiing the others seems a little out of character to me. jack has been the reluctant leader of the losties because he thinks his wya is THE way. i don't see him finding a comfortable place as a subordinate or quickly and easily accepting the others, their motives and their purpose. if he converts, it's going to have to be a trial tested process for jack with 3x5 notecards chock full of empirical evidence. he's not just going to leap at a suggestion.

[rwilson2006]

jack joiing the others seems a little out of character to me. jack has been the reluctant leader of the losties because he thinks his wya is THE way. i don't see him finding a comfortable place as a subordinate or quickly and easily accepting the others, their motives and their purpose. if he converts, it's going to have to be a trial tested process for jack with 3x5 notecards chock full of empirical evidence. he's not just going to leap at a suggestion.
That is a good point, but what if the Others have the answers to what has been going on. What if they also have the way to get him home??? What if that is the only option they give him to protect the other Losties??? Join us or we will hurt/kill someone....

[Rock God]

thought i add this to speculation.

The losties are on the island, yes? Well let's just say that's only one copy of this island and there are many more. Desmond did say he was sailing for 2 and half weeks. Now lets just say about dimensions. The dharma was testing the potential of gravity, physics and dimensions. Lets just say that we was in one dimension to this island that defies all laws of physics. Now the losties from the show have crashed on another island at the same time.
However we can't get to that island because of the sea's current (remember Sayid saying that the current is way off)) and the gravitental force will just rip you off if you come close to the *edge of the box* but there is an entrance to get there or perhaps an exit (Henry gale's co-ordinates)
The others didn't go after the losties on the raft after getting quite far because they feared of the force might of crushed them already.

The other idea to add it is that the white light is infact making the island visible (which the producers did say) and that's its true form since the island defys all laws of physics.
The hatches infact keep the reality that we (humans) all walk along and this is the break through from dharma to prevent the vazitie equation (end of the world) from happening.

[WickedSlip]

That is a good point, but what if the Others have the answers to what has been going on. What if they also have the way to get him home??? What if that is the only option they give him to protect the other Losties??? Join us or we will hurt/kill someone....


this is the part that asks for really juicy speculation....are the others really going to give up "truth" in a snap after so much effort to disguise their identities? they're not going to give it up that easily, so what line they could feed jack that would be strong enough and apparently valid enough to manipulate him?

i don't think they'll use threats to injure someone as a means to manipulate b/c (1) it would defeat their objective to appear "the good guys" and (b) i think fenry and his gang are more shrewd than resorting to that method.

it's going to have to be a strong psychological mind !@#$ to make jack bend. maybe they have knowledge that claire is his sister? or information regarding his father? they have to have the inside scoop on something emotional to really tap into jack. i just don't know what that would be.

unless they work him from the scientific curiosity angle. but we haven't seen any indication that jack has any so i'm unconvinced that would work. he DOES have the rescuer/healer instinct to immediately respond to need.

maybe they'll work him from the need to remedy The Sickness angle.

personally, i'd be surprised if it were him that went "other" on us. i'd be more interested to see a "they got to desmond" twist to the plot and make HIM the other in reference.

[confidence_man32]

i think we can all agree jack is a good guy and hell try to do everything he can to do the right thing, so if the others are really the good guys i see no reason jack wouldnt try to join them, if theyre actions are actually just and jack is the only one sensible enough that they can convince then im sure hed go with them, like sayid said once, it might be for the greater good and since ethan is dead i guess they need a doctor DAMN this is a bad run on sentence

[himfurrytart]

ethan wasnt the only doctore thoguh. they had several people ready to operate on claire.
however i can see jack joining the others and a cool shift in perspective for the audience as we realise the others are good guys. (although killing scott/steve, nearly killing charlie, jin mike and sawyer seem to make this hard to belive...)

[cidlpn69]

ethan wasnt the only doctore thoguh. they had several people ready to operate on claire.
however i can see jack joining the others and a cool shift in perspective for the audience as we realize the others are good guys. (although killing scott/steve, nearly killing charlie, jin mike and sawyer seem to make this hard to belive...)

Maybe I'm the only one, but I don't want Jack to join the others. And I don't think he will....after what they've already done to him and the losties.

As to the others being good guys...don't see that at all, even though this season we'll see their back stories. I think the others are too far gone in their beliefs and bs...that any actions taken in the name of that belief still doesn't make them "good" or "right". Hitler believed what he was doing was right, and that he was the "good" guy. We all know that wasn't the case...by a long shot.

And I will leave you (or anyone) with this question: If the others are so "good", why kidnap someone's kid, kill people, send in spies, and abduct them? NO matter what is revealed in this season, I doubt I will ever look at the others as the "good guys". IMHO...

[WickedSlip]

As to the others being good guys...don't see that at all, even though this season we'll see their back stories. I think the others are too far gone in their beliefs and bs...that any actions taken in the name of that belief still doesn't make them "good" or "right". Hitler believed what he was doing was right, and that he was the "good" guy. We all know that wasn't the case...by a long shot.

And I will leave you (or anyone) with this question: If the others are so "good", why kidnap someone's kid, kill people, send in spies, and abduct them? NO matter what is revealed in this season, I doubt I will ever look at the others as the "good guys". IMHO...[/QUOTE]

i asked that once on a site far, far away, and was slammed so hard against the hatch door i feared asking it again.

i got stuck in a good/bad dichotomy and redemption argument over it.

basically i was told that the means to an end didn't matter if your objective is worthy. WTF???

it's all relative. and if the Others get by on the good graces of "saving the world" despite their past behaviour, i'm going to hang my head in disappoinment and use that line in the "democrats ranting" thread.

[cidlpn69]

i asked that once on a site far, far away, and was slammed so hard against the hatch door i feared asking it again.

i got stuck in a good/bad dichotomy and redemption argument over it.

basically i was told that the means to an end didn't matter if your objective is worthy. WTF???

it's all relative. and if the Others get by on the good graces of "saving the world" despite their past behaviour, i'm going to hang my head in disappoinment and use that line in the "democrats ranting" thread.[/QUOTE]

So sorry to hear you were lambasted on that old site. The radicals!! I will never agree that the ends justify the means, not when it involves murder and kidnap and god knows what else. Again, Hitler did believe his objective was worthy, along w/countless Germans. Was he right? Hell no!

And it's not all relative...there is a clear line for me. Never hang your head in shame...hold it high. I have a feeling that in this new season, the others will not come off all that "good". Maybe some will have redeeming qualities, but certainly not all or most. IMHO.

[Candy]

If the others are so "good", why kidnap someone's kid, kill people, send in spies, and abduct them? --cidlpn69



Who have the "others" killed? I am foggy on this. The only one I remember is the guy in the pit that Goodwin killed. REfresh my memory por favor... thank you.


Also someone said earlier that Jack is a good guy. I speculate that he will become much darker in season 3.

[cidlpn69]

Who have the "others" killed? I am foggy on this. The only one I remember is the guy in the pit that Goodwin killed. REfresh my memory por favor... thank you.


Also someone said earlier that Jack is a good guy. I speculate that he will become much darker in season 3.

Don't think anyone else was killed, but the others sure did try. Goodwin tried to kill Ana, but she won that battle....and Ethan strung Charlie up to die. If the losties hadn't found him, he would have died. Also, there could be others we don't know about, yet. We still don't know what happened to some of the tailies the others took.

[Sun Ray]

I was thinking that maybe the references to Good and Bad aren't to do with the character's actions. Maybe if they are a good person, it means that they are right for the Others experiments/tasks/whatever they want the survivors for. And the bad people are people who aren't right for the others tasks, so they can be disposed of.

Maybe the good ones are good for the experiments because they possess a character trait or two that possibly makes the monster not attack them. Maybe the others aren't Dharma, they could be on the island to stop Dharma, but the smoke is preventing them from doing so, therefore they need people that the smoke wont attack.

I just don't think that the Good/Bad arguement is as simple as what we see on the surface.

[Sun Ray]

Who have the "others" killed? I am foggy on this. The only one I remember is the guy in the pit that Goodwin killed. REfresh my memory por favor... thank you.


Also someone said earlier that Jack is a good guy. I speculate that he will become much darker in season 3.

It is possible that the artist formerly known as Henry Gale killed the original Henry Gale.

Ethan came out of the water and killed Scott.

Fenry tried to kill Ana.

And that's all I can remember.

[Candy]

I forgot about scott/steve...

Ethan was scary... i am glad we will get to see him again in S3

[cidlpn69]

It is possible that the artist formerly known as Henry Gale killed the original Henry Gale.

Ethan came out of the water and killed Scott.

Fenry tried to kill Ana.

And that's all I can remember.

Thanks Sun Ray...I knew someone could answer that better. And I totally agree w/your idea of good and bad. Maybe the others mean "good" in the sense, that a person is good for the mission/tasks and whatnot.

[Candy]

I am with you on that too. They list the good candidates for their experiments, not neccesarily do-gooders.

Can I say that? DO-gooders?

[cidlpn69]

I am with you on that too. They list the good candidates for their experiments, not neccesarily do-gooders.

Can I say that? DO-gooders?

You sure can, Ms. Simplifier. God, you're great at that...giving the gist of a story or post. You rock, Candy. :)

[rwilson2006]

You sure can, Ms. Simplifier. God, you're great at that...giving the gist of a story or post. You rock, Candy. :)
hehe... you said rockcandy... mmmm rockcandy... ;)

[rwilson2006]

/me clears throat
back to the topic: I think the whole Good guys / bad guys thing is relative... They may just believe that they are the good guys and not really be...

For Example: WWII I think the Germans really believed that they were doing good work, trying to create the super race, (blond hair, blue eyes, etc.) Which is kind of ironic considering that Hitler was black hair brown eyes, but I digress...

Back to my point, everyone has there perspective of good and evil, and most times they are not the same as the absolute Good (God) & evil (Satan) standards that everyone else may use...

[cidlpn69]

hehe... you said rockcandy... mmmm rockcandy... ;)

mmmmm, pure sugar on a stick. brilliant!

[rwilson2006]

mmmmm, pure sugar on a stick. brilliant!
I also like cotton candy, but that is just too fluffy some times... u really need to have rock candy pure solid sugar....

[confidence_man32]

Also someone said earlier that Jack is a good guy. I speculate that he will become much darker in season 3.[/QUOTE]

yea kinda like charlie did from season one to season two

you cant be so quick to judge the others, its always possible theyre stuff for the greater good and we just dont know about it, give them the benefit of the doubt. Sure Ethan tried to kill charlie but if he didnt charlie would have for sure killed him and yea goodwin tried to kill AL but how many ppl liked ana anyways right?

[cidlpn69]

Also someone said earlier that Jack is a good guy. I speculate that he will become much darker in season 3.

yea kinda like charlie did from season one to season two

you cant be so quick to judge the others, its always possible theyre stuff for the greater good and we just dont know about it, give them the benefit of the doubt. Sure Ethan tried to kill charlie but if he didnt charlie would have for sure killed him and yea goodwin tried to kill AL but how many ppl liked ana anyways right?[/QUOTE]

Are you for real? Are you an "other"? Umm, so Ethan was right, then? Cuz Charlie was going to kill him....well, no kidding. They kidnapped Claire...and do you really think the others would've let Claire live after they CUT her baby out of her? Don't think so....

And hey, Mr. Confidence Man, I liked Ana, and was floored when she was shot!:(

[WickedSlip]

yea kinda like charlie did from season one to season two

you cant be so quick to judge the others, its always possible theyre stuff for the greater good and we just dont know about it, give them the benefit of the doubt. Sure Ethan tried to kill charlie but if he didnt charlie would have for sure killed him and yea goodwin tried to kill AL but how many ppl liked ana anyways right?

Are you for real? Are you an "other"? Umm, so Ethan was right, then? Cuz Charlie was going to kill him....well, no kidding. They kidnapped Claire...and do you really think the others would've let Claire live after they CUT her baby out of her? Don't think so....
And hey, Mr. Confidence Man, I liked Ana, and was floored when she was shot!:([/QUOTE]


they left danielle alone after taking alex. (if that story is true). i think they'd let claire live. they'd just have dumped her in the jungle sans aaron.

a worse fate, in my humble opinion, to live knowing someone stole your child than being killed.

[confidence_man32]

ok i didnt mean it like that, and they OBVIOUSLY didnt cut the baby out duh, they injected it with something, the baby and claire both got injected. what if they were saving them from the sickness ever thought of that? there are two sides to every story maybe you should wait for season 3 to hear the other side. Anyways, about the losties, a lot of you think they should be redeemed for what they have done including myself, (sawyer killing the fake mr.sawyer, kate killing her father and the man she loved, AL killing the man who killed her baby which i do respect btw, charlie taking drugs, jack for baiting out his father, eko being a FRIKKEN MOB BOSS PPL) but if they should be redeemed why shouldnt the others? fyi i liked AL too but she was, as sawyer said, a |3 ! T C |-|. and no im not an other:rolleyes:

[losty09]

they left danielle alone after taking alex. (if that story is true). i think they'd let claire live. they'd just have dumped her in the jungle sans aaron.

a worse fate, in my humble opinion, to live knowing someone stole your child than being killed.

i'm pretty sure Alex said they were going to kill claire in maternity leave. And Ethan lept saying things like "i'm going to miss you claire." i don't think he was refering to letting her go.

oh, i found it. Alex says, "You're going to die, they're going to cut him out of you!"

anyway, yea. but the others haven't killed nearly as many people as the survivors.

[cidlpn69]

ok i didnt mean it like that, and they OBVIOUSLY didnt cut the baby out duh, they injected it with something, the baby and claire both got injected. what if they were saving them from the sickness ever thought of that? there are two sides to every story maybe you should wait for season 3 to hear the other side. Anyways, about the losties, a lot of you think they should be redeemed for what they have done including myself, (sawyer killing the fake mr.sawyer, kate killing her father and the man she loved, AL killing the man who killed her baby which i do respect btw, charlie taking drugs, jack for baiting out his father, eko being a FRIKKEN MOB BOSS PPL) but if they should be redeemed why shouldnt the others? fyi i liked AL too but she was, as sawyer said, a |3 ! T C |-|. and no im not an other:rolleyes:

No lollipop for you...:) I see your point, though and still disagree. I'm not saying what the losties did BEFORE the crash is justifiable...I'm talking about their actions on the island. The others could've handled things a million different ways than they did....they're nuts, imho. Remember what Tom told Jack & co.? "What if I came in your home, by kicking in your door. Could I put my feet on your coffee table." or something along those lines. Hey, the losties did NOT ask to be crash landed on that island. The others are all about the "ends justify the means."

Also, about your theory w/the medicine...you DON'T know that there is a sickness....the show has already hinted to that. With Kelvin going outside w/a rip in his suit. I think the medicine is a mind-control thing. There is NO sickness. Why hasn't anyone be infected w/this sickness yet? And, none of the losties have access to the vaccine. And don't give me Rousseau's story...her killing her crew cuz of some sickness, cuz she does come across as nutty, too. Not to mention, they stole her baby, and that's enough to drive any mother nuts!!

And maybe that's why I liked Ana...I'm a b****, too and hold my head high. But Sawyer thought that about Ana cuz she was a strong woman, and a threat to Sawyer. IMHO. :)

[cidlpn69]

i'm pretty sure Alex said they were going to kill claire in maternity leave. And Ethan lept saying things like "i'm going to miss you claire." i don't think he was refering to letting her go.

oh, i found it. Alex says, "You're going to die, they're going to cut him out of you!"

anyway, yea. but the others haven't killed nearly as many people as the survivors.

Yeah, losty...knew I was right. The others were planning on killing Claire, after cutting her baby out!!

Also, we still don't know everything about the others or how many people they've killed before the losties...or for that matter, what they did to the adult tallies they kidnapped.

[losty09]

No lollipop for you...:)

Also, about your theory w/the medicine...you DON'T know that there is a sickness....the show has already hinted to that. With Kelvin going outside w/a rip in his suit. I think the medicine is a mind-control thing. There is NO sickness. Why hasn't anyone be infected w/this sickness yet?

well..... everyone is saying the finale hinted that there is no sickness. i however, think it is quite the opposite. THe finale did seem to draw a lot of attention to it. With the desmond/kelvin convos about it. But as for no one getting infected... as i have posted, i think michael is. see my first post in this thread for that. There was so much in the last few episodes that hinted towards him having the sickness. And that quarantine sign landing on the beach... that seemed like foreshadowing to me. Drawing attention to it. With all the desmond ripped suite stuff, the producers are setting us up to think it doesn't exist. THen they can slap us in the face in season three by completely turning it around on us and saying, "you should have interperated the clues better, because if you did you would have know that its real". Anyway that's my take on it.

[confidence_man32]

No lollipop for you...:) I see your point, though and still disagree. I'm not saying what the losties did BEFORE the crash is justifiable...I'm talking about their actions on the island. The others could've handled things a million different ways than they did....they're nuts, imho. Remember what Tom told Jack & co.? "What if I came in your home, by kicking in your door. Could I put my feet on your coffee table." or something along those lines. Hey, the losties did NOT ask to be crash landed on that island. The others are all about the "ends justify the means."

Also, about your theory w/the medicine...you DON'T know that there is a sickness....the show has already hinted to that. With Kelvin going outside w/a rip in his suit. I think the medicine is a mind-control thing. There is NO sickness. Why hasn't anyone be infected w/this sickness yet? And, none of the losties have access to the vaccine. And don't give me Rousseau's story...her killing her crew cuz of some sickness, cuz she does come across as nutty, too. Not to mention, they stole her baby, and that's enough to drive any mother nuts!!

And maybe that's why I liked Ana...I'm a b****, too and hold my head high. But Sawyer thought that about Ana cuz she was a strong woman, and a threat to Sawyer. IMHO. :)

WORD ABOUT ANA LOL. i see where your coming from, and it does make sense this is one of those things you can argue both ways, while i do believe there is some sickness, the losties may not have come to contact with it yet, it may be possible the others territory holds the sickness (hence another theory michael has been infected) and they wouldnt inject medicine into claire and the baby for no reason, who knows maybe it was only morphine to ease the pain of birth or it could be a vaccine for all we know. i recall alex asking kate how the baby was seeming concerned for its health (could be natural to ask but w/e). well see rousaeu's story soon i guess, id love to see it. and thanks for the backup losty lol and as for killing claire, i think maybe they needed to perform a caesarean section on her for some reason, and with the lack of medical help and doctors, it would be doubtful claire would live and this ones a long shot but maybe the island healed her so she could give birth???( pretty whack i know but w/e its a speculation thread) and what does IMHO mean???

[cidlpn69]

well..... everyone is saying the finale hinted that there is no sickness. i however, think it is quite the opposite. THe finale did seem to draw a lot of attention to it. With the desmond/kelvin convos about it. But as for no one getting infected... as i have posted, i think michael is. see my first post in this thread for that. There was so much in the last few episodes that hinted towards him having the sickness. And that quarantine sign landing on the beach... that seemed like foreshadowing to me. Drawing attention to it. With all the desmond ripped suite stuff, the producers are setting us up to think it doesn't exist. THen they can slap us in the face in season three by completely turning it around on us and saying, "you should have interperated the clues better, because if you did you would have know that its real". Anyway that's my take on it.

OK, losty, I see your point completely. And kinda agree w/most of it. My only problem is w/the Kelvin thing. He was CIA, for god's sake. They're trained to not believe anything from anyone...or at least question everything. Why would he leave the hatch w/a rip in the suit? I dunno...but your right, the producers would love to slap us in the face for assuming the wrong thing. :rolleyes:

[WickedSlip]

i'm pretty sure Alex said they were going to kill claire in maternity leave. And Ethan lept saying things like "i'm going to miss you claire." i don't think he was refering to letting her go.

oh, i found it. Alex says, "You're going to die, they're going to cut him out of you!"

anyway, yea. but the others haven't killed nearly as many people as the survivors.


*shrug* maybe she will get/has The Sickness. i still don't buy it. if alex had said "they're going to kill you; they're going to cut him out of you" then i'd buy it. but, to me, it is two independent complete thoughts. my opinion of that could very well change with more convincing language. but my impression remains the same.

so we'll just have to agree to disagree on basis of interpretation.

i count the manipulation of michael into killing ana lucia as an other kill by means of lostie. what's the comparative tally?

[cidlpn69]

WORD ABOUT ANA LOL. i see where your coming from, and it does make sense this is one of those things you can argue both ways, while i do believe there is some sickness, the losties may not have come to contact with it yet, it may be possible the others territory holds the sickness (hence another theory michael has been infected) and they wouldnt inject medicine into claire and the baby for no reason, who knows maybe it was only morphine to ease the pain of birth or it could be a vaccine for all we know. i recall alex asking kate how the baby was seeming concerned for its health (could be natural to ask but w/e). well see rousaeu's story soon i guess, id love to see it. and what does IMHO mean??? and thanks for the backup losty lol

IMHO: in my humble opinion....and maybe Michael was injected w/the sickness. Does anyone know for sure when he started showing sores and such? Maybe that's his rescue...death?

And we do know they drugged Claire and not for comfort. But to keep her docile and calm.

[WickedSlip]

well..... everyone is saying the finale hinted that there is no sickness. i however, think it is quite the opposite. THe finale did seem to draw a lot of attention to it. With the desmond/kelvin convos about it. But as for no one getting infected... as i have posted, i think michael is. see my first post in this thread for that. There was so much in the last few episodes that hinted towards him having the sickness. And that quarantine sign landing on the beach... that seemed like foreshadowing to me. Drawing attention to it. With all the desmond ripped suite stuff, the producers are setting us up to think it doesn't exist. THen they can slap us in the face in season three by completely turning it around on us and saying, "you should have interperated the clues better, because if you did you would have know that its real". Anyway that's my take on it.

totally agree. i think that we'll find all the implausible to be very actual.

[confidence_man32]

IMHO: in my humble opinion....and maybe Michael was injected w/the sickness. Does anyone know for sure when he started showing sores and such? Maybe that's his rescue...death?

And we do know they drugged Claire and not for comfort. But to keep her docile and calm.

yea at first i thought they injected michael WITH the sickness cuz he started having sores after the injection, but then why wouldnt claire have the sickness, IF the injection was the same medicine. if it wasnt then disregard my ranting.

[losty09]

here's my tally wickedslip

The others killed:
-Nathan
-scott/Steve
-anna lucia (through michael)

The survivors killed
-goodwin
-ethan
-the two men Ecko killed
- boone, (locke sorta responsible for it)
-libby
- the guy sawyer shot in the finale
- shannon

i feel like i may be missing someone, but anyway, that's what it looks like. The survivors have definatley killed more people, assuming the captured people are not killed and are indeed better off.

[confidence_man32]

here's my tally wickedslip

The others killed:
-Nathan
-scott/Steve
-anna lucia (through michael)

The survivors killed
-goodwin
-ethan
-the two men Ecko killed
- boone, (locke sorta responsible for it)
-libby
- the guy sawyer shot in the finale
- shannon

i feel like i may be missing someone, but anyway, that's what it looks like. The survivors have definatley killed more people, assuming the captured people are not killed and are indeed better off.

assuming the other in the season 1 finale tried to kill sawyer i think that could count

[losty09]

and you know, actually, it would make sense if they injected him with the sickness. In fact, they couldn't have been taking blood at all. Because to take blood you need to first find the vein, and they just jammed in the needle.

and just because they injected both him and claire doesn't mean they were injected with the same thing. They vaccine they gave claire was for the baby, so they wouldn't have been giving the baby the sickness. THey wanted to save it. But killing off michael using the sickness would be the perfect plan. Get him to do their durty work with the promise of his son, then give him the sickness. THen, as my theory goes, set him off with coordinates to take him toward another one of their outposts, remove his dead body or finish him off, and take back walt.

*edit- i forgot about the guy sawyer shot. But do we know if he actually hit him?

[confidence_man32]

and you know, actually, it would make sense if they injected him with the sickness. In fact, they couldn't have been taking blood at all. Because to take blood you need to first find the vein, and they just jammed in the needle.

and just because they injected both him and claire doesn't mean they were injected with the same thing. They vaccine they gave claire was for the baby, so they wouldn't have been giving the baby the sickness. THey wanted to save it. But killing off michael using the sickness would be the perfect plan. Get him to do their durty work with the promise of his son, then give him the sickness. THen, as my theory goes, set him off with coordinates to take him toward another one of their outposts, remove his dead body or finish him off, and take back walt.

that would suck for michael, i always liked him

[WickedSlip]

here's my tally wickedslip

The others killed:
-Nathan
-scott/Steve
-anna lucia (through michael)

The survivors killed
-goodwin
-ethan
-the two men Ecko killed
- boone, (locke sorta responsible for it)
-libby
- the guy sawyer shot in the finale
- shannon

i feel like i may be missing someone, but anyway, that's what it looks like. The survivors have definatley killed more people, assuming the captured people are not killed and are indeed better off.

i'd move boone outta there (i'm going for intent here). move libby to the other category with analucia (i think michael woulda shot anyone in the room on command by the others) and put shannon in the Other category if we go with the theory that walt (a vision as an other driven smoke monster thing which led her to that time and place) and the tally goes neck and neck.

too much rides on speculation and interpretation of culpability tho.

[losty09]

that's absolutley true wickedslip.

you all are too intelligent for little me. I can't keep up lol.

[WickedSlip]

that's absolutley true wickedslip.

you all are too intelligent for little me. I can't keep up lol.

goofy. i think either way works, really. just depends on which theory you work off.

that's all i was saying. i wasn't trying to be a brat. really.

[cidlpn69]

i'd move boone outta there (i'm going for intent here). move libby to the other category with analucia (i think michael woulda shot anyone in the room on command by the others) and put shannon in the Other category if we go with the theory that walt (a vision as an other driven smoke monster thing which led her to that time and place) and the tally goes neck and neck.

too much rides on speculation and interpretation of culpability tho.

Don't know about y'all, but think Michael's in his own category. If my memory holds, the others didn't actually tell Michael to kill any of the losties. In fact, Miss Clue tells Michael, "I don't care what you SAY...make it up, just get these four people on the list to come w/you." As far as I remember, there was no talk of killing. That's why I hate Michael...he didn't have to kill anyone. Numerous different ways to handle the situation and still get your kid back.

[cidlpn69]

And losty, your list seems pretty accurate to me...I just look at what the survivors did as more self-defense, like with Eko and Ana, and w/the death of Shannon, that was a tragic accident. How stressed out would any of us be in that situation?

The survivors have lived thru a plane crash, and have started to come to terms that no one is coming to rescue them....they are probably living in constant fear of their lives. I dunno, maybe it's just me.

[WickedSlip]

Don't know about y'all, but think Michael's in his own category. If my memory holds, the others didn't actually tell Michael to kill any of the losties. In fact, Miss Clue tells Michael, "I don't care what you SAY...make it up, just get these four people on the list to come w/you." As far as I remember, there was no talk of killing. That's why I hate Michael...he didn't have to kill anyone. Numerous different ways to handle the situation and still get your kid back.

the instructions you cited refer to retrieving the four losties...not to releasing fenry. we aren't senient of all the instructions handed to michael. yet.

but you're right, regardless of what he was instructed, he had other options.

as far as the list goes: either libby gets moved to the other category or ana gets moved to the lostie category. but both were michael's vicitims and should be listed together.

[Sun Ray]

i'd move boone outta there (i'm going for intent here). move libby to the other category with analucia (i think michael woulda shot anyone in the room on command by the others) and put shannon in the Other category if we go with the theory that walt (a vision as an other driven smoke monster thing which led her to that time and place) and the tally goes neck and neck.

too much rides on speculation and interpretation of culpability tho.

No, from the look on Michael's face, I don't think that he wanted to kill anyone at all. I think he just wanted to get Henry out of there, and Ana happened to be in the way, then he shot Libby because she surprised him. He even told Ana he was sorry before shooting her.

The be completely honest, I think that was Michael's best scene to date.

Edit: We're upto 'Two For The Road' over here in England, could everyone please use spoiler font for anything involving the episodes after that? Thanks.

[cidlpn69]

No, from the look on Michael's face, I don't think that he wanted to kill anyone at all. I think he just wanted to get Henry out of there, and Ana happened to be in the way, then he shot Libby because she surprised him. He even told Ana he was sorry before shooting her.

The be completely honest, I think that was Michael's best scene to date.

Edit: We're upto 'Two For The Road' over here in England, could everyone please use spoiler font for anything involving the episodes after that? Thanks.

OK, I see where you're coming from w/Michael....I just figure he thought that was his only option, and it wasn't. I've got kids, and I seriously doubt I would've handled it that way. Think I would've gone to Jack & Co. and told them the whole thing....to plan a surprise attack when they go meet the others. Just MHO.

[losty09]

see this is the thing, exactly like wickedslip said. The death list thing is all a matter of opinion about this stuff. I don't think we are going to agree on it really. But for we, its just straight up who killed who, not counting intentions, and the losties are by far ahead. But that's just me, everyone has different thhoughts on it. I think we have to agree to disagree.

And i just wish to say how lovely it has been speculating with you, wickedslip, cid, and confidence man. I know this is cheesy, but i just wanted to say it. It is after all, what i joined the site for. Not the off- topic stuff i have been pulled into. And you all are so intelligent, your theories are great.

[confidence_man32]

And i just wish to say how lovely it has been speculating with you, wickedslip, cid, and confidence man. I know this is cheesy, but i just wanted to say it. It is after all, what i joined the site for. Not the off- topic stuff i have been pulled into. And you all are so intelligent, your theories are great.

thanks, i do my best:D

[cidlpn69]

see this is the thing, exactly like wickedslip said. The death list thing is all a matter of opinion about this stuff. I don't think we are going to agree on it really. But for we, its just straight up who killed who, not counting intentions, and the losties are by far ahead. But that's just me, everyone has different thhoughts on it. I think we have to agree to disagree.

And i just wish to say how lovely it has been speculating with you, wickedslip, cid, and confidence man. I know this is cheesy, but i just wanted to say it. It is after all, what i joined the site for. Not the off- topic stuff i have been pulled into. And you all are so intelligent, your theories are great.

Losty, you're the sweetest!! Thanks go to you, too. I came on this site to discuss the show, too...and got pulled into off-topic, also. I love discussing theories about the show with all you guys, and you all have given me new perspectives on the show. Luv ya...:D

[WickedSlip]

And i just wish to say how lovely it has been speculating with you, wickedslip, cid, and confidence man. I know this is cheesy, but i just wanted to say it. It is after all, what i joined the site for. Not the off- topic stuff i have been pulled into. And you all are so intelligent, your theories are great.[/QUOTE]

you are a sweetheart. (you ought to have a pink badge;) )

we have had a great opportunity to get to know each other before s3 starts....and WAIT til s3 starts! we're going to have a blast!

[losty09]

we are going to have a blast! unfortunately my tight school schedule won't allow for much time for lost discussions... :(

so does this mean you don't want me to be a purple?!

/me sits in corner and sobs

[WickedSlip]

we are going to have a blast! unfortunately my tight school schedule won't allow for much time for lost discussions... :(

so does this mean you don't want me to be a purple?!

/me sits in corner and sobs

i am proud to be in such good purple company. your nice softens my....un-nice.

school?? interefere with lost??? are you insane?;)

you'd better pop your head in on occassion. we can find you.

[rwilson2006]

we are going to have a blast! unfortunately my tight school schedule won't allow for much time for lost discussions... :(

so does this mean you don't want me to be a purple?!

/me sits in corner and sobs
/me sits next to losty for comfort...
I think the purple looks great on you... ;)

[rwilson2006]

i am proud to be in such good purple company. your nice softens my....un-nice.

school?? interefere with lost??? are you insane?;)

you'd better pop your head in on occassion. we can find you.
I don't think so, you are a sweetheart around here too... I think I might get cavities if I stick around SZ too long ... ;) :D

[confidence_man32]

ok so what do you think of this: theres said to be a major clue in the opening sequence of the pilot, some say its jack's eyes others say otherwise. i personally think its the fact he woke up in the middle of the jungle what do you think.

[losty09]

i thought that the landing placement was it for a long time. Because charlie should have been with the front section, so should cindy. But...

i am now convinced that jack landing in the jungle was simply a device used to create the opening. It makes a good setting and a good and intriguing opener. But that's just me.

[confidence_man32]

could be. maybe it has something to do with vincent, when i heard locke talk about his mother thinking a dog was a past child she once had, i thought about walt and if vincent could actually be a reincarnation of his mother, BUT then it'd be female and would have been born after her death. i would love to see a vincent flashback, see some things the losties didnt see, how awesome would that be.

[losty09]

lol did you know that vincent acually is female? i read that somewhere. The dog is actually a girl.

[confidence_man32]

lol did you know that vincent acually is female? i read that somewhere. The dog is actually a girl.

LOL yea i heard that too but you just reminded me now, kind of an odd coincidence

[confidence_man32]

any thoughts about a vincent flashback?

[cidlpn69]

lol did you know that vincent acually is female? i read that somewhere. The dog is actually a girl.

I know...isn't that funny Vincent's a female dog :) ? The dog's name is actually Madison...found it on imdb.com. Cute name...

[theZealot]

I know...isn't that funny Vincent's a female dog :) ? The dog's name is actually Madison...found it on imdb.com. Cute name...

Wasn't she the dog on Full House? Then again... it may be a common name for adorable golden labs... and names of children born in the 90's.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA I crack myself up. :)

[cidlpn69]

Wasn't she the dog on Full House? Then again... it may be a common name for adorable golden labs... and names of children born in the 90's.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA I crack myself up. :)

Don't think she was the same dog as the one on Full House....pulled up Madison's info on imdb.com, and it only lists Lost as the only work the dog has done. Did find these interesting tidbits:

"Nickname
Humphrey Dogart
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Trivia
A female, but portrays a male on "Lost" (2004)

Is a Yellow Labrador Retriever

Has hair extensions added during the show.

Howls when Jorge Garcia sings."

[Uncle Pasto]

Oh and don't forget:

likes long walks on the beach
sunsets
a male dog with a sense of humor

turnoffs include:
dogs who smoke
whining
someone who is always chasing his tail

[cidlpn69]

Oh and don't forget:

likes long walks on the beach
sunsets
a male dog with a sense of humor

turnoffs include:
dogs who smoke
whining
someone who is always chasing his tail

Ha-ha...Mr. Funny-man...just playing, that was funny. :D

[rwilson2006]

Oh and don't forget:

likes long walks on the beach
sunsets
a male dog with a sense of humor

turnoffs include:
dogs who smoke
whining
someone who is always chasing his tail
good one Pasto... lol... ;)

[confidence_man32]

ok these are some speculations i found that are worthwhile

the island has healing powers and the "tragic end" that the creators were talking about means leaving some losties on the island for good, with them becoming the new "others", the losties include:

jin and sun (after finding out the island healed jins infertility and in fact it was his baby all along)
rose and bernard (healed rose's cancer and if she leaves she wont be healed anymore)
locke (heals his legs, doesnt want to leave and be crippled again AND as we find out, he has absolutely nothing left back on original soil)
kate (doesnt want to get arrested back home, tired of running)
sawyer (stays for kate, as hes found the real sawyer and killed him OR was convinced to forgive and forget by kate/eko[?])
michael (comes back after telling the outside world about the island and ultimately what he did (libby and AL), forcing him to stay on the island with vincent. Walt's rapid growth (explained in season 3?) will result in him becoming old enough to take care of himself as michael does not want to live his life behind bars)
vincent (stays with michael)
AND
the rest of the others (Dharma Sociologists/Scientists)

[theZealot]

I've been thinking about how the writers like to throw us curve balls all the time. What if Libby wasn't really crazy, maybe she was an "other" and was there to spy on Hurley and the "connect four" guy. I mean we thought Locke was crazy in the beginning, but then we found out that Helen did exist, and his war game fantasy was him playing a game with one of his coworkers.

[losty09]

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we have a season 3 predictions thread in the lost foilers section, but i guess another is fine. So here is my main theory again.

Michael is getting sick. His arms/hands/head are all scabby, he has been sick in the jungle.In the finale, they draw a lot of attention to the sickness, with all the desmond/ kelvin stuff, and the quarantine sign landing on hte beach what better way to set up for someone getting sick, and it being revealed in season 3. When they took michael's blood, it was to test for the sickness. They found out he had it, and that's why they let him go. They know he will be weak. They instructions they gave him will send hem to another outpost of others, where they will take walt back from the too weak michael.


that's true, he isn't on the cast. But that doesn't mean he can't come on as a guest actor

or

that they leave the michael walt story alone for a season and return to it in season 4. Not very plausible i know, but still possible.


/me gives triumphant yell! michael and walt are so not over. 11/08 - Cuse and Lindelof revealed: We have a very clear plan for this season, and I don't think we'll get back to Michael and Walt's story this season. Harold Perrineau's story is not finished. He is not on the show currently, but I think everybody is very curious to know what happened to Michael and Walt, and we hope to get back to that story. That character is still out there in the Lost universe Source: Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide . So for all of the people who said we didn't think walt and michael were done, yay us!

[Candy]

/me hands losty a cookie and some milk and, oh yea, a pat on the back.